Where does the money go?
Check out this link To access Arizona's records for Generations Church, Inc.
The following documents comprise the 2004 annual report for Generations Church, Incorporated. It is interesting to note that Witmer reports only $305 for "benevolence" -- otherwise known as charity. However, he spent over $18,000 on "auto expenses."
A lot of money came in, and a lot of money went out (a zero or minimal profit is required for a non-profit organization). This leaves open the question of where the money went. A quick look at this report shows some questionable expenditures. I will list some of the more egregious and suspicious expenses here (see link at the top or bottom of this blog for your own examination of the original documents on Arizona's Web site).
2004:
Airfare - $11,483
Travel - $30,000
Gifts - $24,790
Payroll - $133,000
Production - $56,000
Cell Phone - $6,000
Internet - $2,287
Phone - $2,374
Auto - $18,000
Candles - $1,000
Cleaning Supplies - $2,800
Health Club - $230
Office Supplies, Other - $27,200
The total 2004 income reported by the president of Generations Church, Inc. (Richard Witmer) was over $590,000. Interestingly, this was the last year he reported a detailed list of income and expeditures. For 2005, Witmer simply supplied the State of Arizona with a form that reports an annual income of $1,019,634.56. My question is: where is the detailed list that he supplied the previous year? Is he afraid of what it would show? While doubling the churches income in one year, did Witmer and his gang also double their Internet, travel, gift, and cell phone expenses? It leaves one to wonder ...
One thing is for sure: there is no record or proof of any charitable efforts on behalf of Generations Church. At least other Yuma area churches aim to help the community it serves.
Since Rich Witmer filed his vague 2005 report about four months after I began exposing his cult, I am forced to wonder if Rich is attempting to hide something. It's the first of three annual reports that don't include a detailed list of expenditures ...
Here is the Generations Church Inc. annual expense report for 2004:
Check out this link To access Arizona's records for Generations Church, Inc.
There is a "housing" expense for $17,200.00. Do you think he paid 10% of that money in tithes like your Marine had to do with his BAH?
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How does a Yuma pastor afford to drive a 2007 BMW M5 (Kelly Blue Book $88-92K)? Maybe instead of begging every adult to give $100 to revamp the kids sanctuary and put in A/C, the pastor should sell the car, and with the money buy A/C, remodel the kids sanctuary, and still have enough to buy a NORMAL car. Why should I tithe to a church that preaches a give, give, give message (which I will not argue is Biblical) when they just overspend, overspend, overspend. "Casting pearls to swine" as the Bible refers to it. Very discouraging. This latest outrageous vehicle expendature helped make my decision to leave...again, and I'm taking others with me this time.
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A 2007 BMW worth 88K +.. you have to be &%$!#@ kidding me!!!!
Come on now!!!
This is crazy! Come on Generations members.....OPEN YOUR EYES!
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Wow
> I'm glad you are doing what you are. I attended a Spanish church
> Camino Nuevo here in Yuma and I stopped going for the same suspicions
> of what happens to all the money? They talk about the devil/evil
> spirits sometimes even more than they do about living a Christian
> life. I enjoyed the 20-30 minutes of the 6 services I attended but I
> just couldn't swallow what was really going on. Its sad that many of
> these churches are for self profit. Don't they know GOD doesn't need
> a luxurious place for worship. The pastors are also not qualified and
> the service last 2 hours of which 45 minutes is music. Then they of
> course collect the money and at the end the Pastor comes up and
> preaches for 30 minutes and then his wife asks for more money for a
> concert, chairs, food etc. They have a new Armada, house and new
> furniture not too shabby for a pastor who also works at Fry's and
> wife at Dillard's. One fellow church goer has said in more than one
> instance "I wish I was rich to buy X." She went into real estate and
> hopes to make lots of money. They go to do mission work but all I
> heard was about how good the Columbian coffee was but never of what
> missionary work they did.
> Well just thought I'd share my experience with you and maybe more people will expose other churches in
> Yuma.
p.s.
> The friend is truly nice and if she wasn't so involved with the
> church I would hang out more with her. The first thing her friends
> ask is where do you go to church. I invite you to ours.
>
> I'm still trying to find a local church to attend in Yuma. But
> have been discouraged so far.
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My son is a Generations member. If I mention too much he'd be easily recognized and I don't want him to get into more trouble, as it's just mental punishment for him.
I wish he'd wakeup and see that he is being owned by his leaders. If a member does something perceived as wrong, his or her character is challenged and he or she will be put down heavily by immediate leaders and yes even Pastor Rich. But Rich leaves that to his subordinates as he's way too busy, well according to him, he doesn't have time to handle these little things that crop up and that's why there are cell leaders.
Seems strange to me that the Pastor of a church doesn't feel it's his job to handle a problem real or not?
My son told me recently that Generations does not enjoy a NOT FOR PROFIT, tax free exemption like other churches. This caused me to recall being told Pastor Rich has other income, owning Java Oasis and other business ventures. He lives on that income. Or so I was told. But now that I am aware that Generations is a FOR PROFIT corporation with Pastor rich and Melissa as Pres. and Vice Pres, my suspicions have gained strength.
Seems to me IRS or the State Tax Board would be interested in the workings of this corporation. I hesitate to call it a church.
But that is out of my league, still I wonder? What I am more concerned about is what if, and I mean What If the corporation were to fold all of sudden. What would happen to it's unwitting members? Would offshoot cults form out of what remains? Would peoples lived be so destroyed they couldn't function without this cult?
Will some die and their souls be lost? The repercussions could be enormous for this community.
Pastor Rich is flippant in his responses to questions brought before him. At least you got a response, while I didn't. That alone set off alarms for me. I've investigated, checked things out, and the slick presentations and choreographed services were interesting to me. But a sense of falseness hit me. I too am a Christian and I won't be misled. I got a sense of playing on members emotions and love for God. Using past sins, learned from Encounters against someone for leverage over them and to challenge their character and strength of devotion to Jesus. Fail the church, you fail God. You will be denied your life and made to bend to their will.
It is all about numbers, membership numbers and financial numbers. He who has a full cell gains power and recognition. I've heard this said by a cell leader...."I saved someone today".
Strange? I thought Jesus Christ was Savior to us all. I didn't know a cell leader could "save" someone? They could help bring someone to know Christ, but only Jesus can Save us from our sinful ways.
I must be too simple to understand the complexities of the corporation. NOT!
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I also wonder what would happen should this place fold. The loyalty of the followers is fierce. A lot of the leaders of the church are young (early 20's) they have been with Rich since their impressionable teen years. Their indoctrination began early. The leaders do the thinking for their "disciples" as they call them. Could these people think for themselves? I don't know. When John first began exposing Generations, the followers were told not to look at his site- that it was the enemy tempting them and it would just fill their heads with garbage.
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I attended Generation "Church" for a few months. I was 16, just moved into Yuma and had left all my friends in California. I had a Co-worker mention Generation "Church" and thought that it may be interesting to learn about a new religion. When I first arrived everyone was so nice and friendly. So I stayed for the service and I must admit they put on a show to pull you in. I went to services off and on for a month and then when I found out how much my co-worker was giving the church I asked him. He told me that the more he gave, the more he would receive. I found this to be strange because, I would rather go and give my time to a homeless shelter. I would rather do a service that is just me.
When I began to really look at the so called church, I notice that little to no actually Charity work or services were being done. Then the major question "what happens with all the money that theses people give?" isn't the reason that people give their hard earned money to provided services to those less fortunate? I learned quickly never to question the so called Church. As soon as I saw the reaction I knew something was not right. Now I know I made the right choice and I am so glade that there is finally a site that exposes these FAKES.
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I've seen somewhere in a blog where you or a contributor wrote that there are a lot of business owners that attend this church and that they employ many other church members. Well assuming these business owners are tithing.... and supporting the church and their lifestyle...... Do you know who the business owners in town are? Or are there readers out there that can contribute this information?? I don't want my money indirectly going to support this church.
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Safetyservicescompany.com. the owner is in his G12. I remember this guy when he first went to cell, then he was accelerated through the "process" and ended up on Rich's G12, wonder why? He's a millionaire named Devin. that's a fact. I attended cell with the man. Others who are employed are "special" and allot are in the top leadership of the church, go figure
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Same thing with Green Valley Pools.... they joined the cult and were rushed throught "the process" and now have prominent positions within the church. Now all the employees are cult members.
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What I don't understand is how he paid over 17,000 dollars on a house that he owns out right. That doesn't make any sense since he owns two houses free and clear.
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Sadly, one of my employees is a member of this cult. She and her husband live off of a paltry income as it is, and she is always having to count her pennies so she can tithe the church the requested (required) percentage which is far beyond her means. Although the bible teaches us to give more to receive more, that message is preached completely out of context at this establishment. I was blown away by the brain washing that occurs during a "service". It's really sad that so many Christians are being lead astray by a couple of greedy individuals. From attending a service, it is evident that the majority of their members are young and impressionable which is a shame. Let God take care of these two "Christians" in His own way. We reap what we sow...they will get theirs in the end.
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I can't believe it. I just found out today that they are a for profit organization, not a nonprofit organization. What does that mean for the people who give their money to them?
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Shocked,
It means that you're making the payments on Richs BMW!
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Did you know that when Rich got the Beemer, "church" members were warned in advance of what to say to people who criticized his purchase? We were supposed to be happy for Rich that he was prospering and give some lame response to those who questioned why a "pastor" was driving an extremely expensive car when some of his flock couldn't even pay for necessities!!! Amazing...
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I too started questioning money and leadership at the church. I attended for two years and even attended the Encounter. My guilt was played so highly against me and when I began to question the pastors, I was basically shunned. Apparently, if you have a brain, and can ask some questions, the church fears you. It's all a social thing. And a giant lie.
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I have cousins that go to this so called "church" and are getting brainwashed by the money greedy. That doesn't give to the needy. I agree they shouldn't be driving beemers and customizing a van with all kinds of flat screens to attract the young people. And having a rock concert like/preaching venue because it kinda reminded me of a rave but with rock music though. Somehow these people should be investigated. All that money they get from their people is wrong and should be spent wisely not buying luxiourus things when all that can be spent on charities, poor in mexico, helping their own people, the poor here. I went to their "church" once because my cousin was "graduating cell group leader 1". I only went for my cousin and then I stayed for a little while and the "pastor" was talking smack about other religions and pastors which wasn't right. Anyways something needs to be done with all this bull......
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I am a teacher at one of the local high school in Yuma. I am very concern about this so called church. I definitely think it is a cult because its members shows signs of being brainwashed! When I asked several students what the pastor does for a living that allows him to live so extravagantly, the reply is the same," He is blessed because he is doing God's work!" I told them to stop being gullible and start thinking for themselves.Of course they get angry when I remind them true faith is free, religion is free, God does not charge you for anything. Yes, you should give money as an offering but that money should be used to do God's work not for your own personal use. It is very difficult for me to believe that he is using all of the offering money for God's work. It is more frightening that he has persuaded so many people to give so much money to him. I do not have a problem with people with religious fervor to do God's work. However, it does not sit well with me that some people are exploiting God for personal monetary gains. As a preacher and leader of a church you should practice what you preach. He is a hypocrite if he preaches about the unimportance of material possession when he drives around in a BMW. He should be preaching about spiritual richness not material wealth. His actions indicates what he values the most. Some young people are already obsessed enough with material riches, we do not need to add fuel to the fire. What he needs to each them is spiritual richness is priceless.
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A man of God should serve God, live a humble life, spread the word of God to the people and counsel them. Rich Witmer sounds more like Hitler. A recent search for Yuma County real estate owned by the Witmers revealed 2 houses with 1 being purchased for @ $600,000. 2007 BMW?? Wake up people!!! I've heard SO many stories of young couples struggling to make ends meet - one on the verge of losing their home. But, they are continuing to give to Generations. Very sad world we live in.
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I've been away from that 'church' for a year and a half now but when we attended I knew of people charging their utilities and groceries so that they could give their tithes. This is somehting that cell leaders know is happening and therefore I'm sure Rich knows as well- how can he or those who are in the top level of leadership sleep at night knowing that people doing this? Makes me ill.
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I hate this church its a waste os money and time...sure u learn alot but you have to give a lot of money.
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I found this on the IRS website if anybody is interested.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f13909.pdf
This is a complaint form for tax exempt organiztions.
I attended that church and in one year gave more than I'd like to admit.
During that time, there were special missions offerings, pastor appreciation offerings and the cells provided janitorial services. So where exactly did my tithes go?
I encourage readers and former cult members to submit this form to the IRS if you didn't see any benefits to your tithe.
It can be done anonymously.
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I, too, attended Generations "church" for about 2 years...even went through an Encounter and graduated from the Cell Leaders 1. What a waste of time and money that messed up my head even now! There are so many ways Rich and Melissa are misguided and misguiding others that it's really, really sad...especially since they, themselves, don't realize it. Therefore, I can't fault them but I do think the devil's hand is evidencing itself through Rich and Melissa's probably well-meaning efforts.
All of the blogs struck a chord with me...I'm not alone in what I now see and how I feel about this messed up "church"!!! :o) Of course, when I was in the midst of it, it sounded good. I guess that's the thing with brainwashing. Anyway, I could share several stories of things that are happening/have happened that aren't right, but one of my personal favorites is when I took in a fellow Generations Cult-goer who also happened to be fairly high up in the hierarchy with cells of her own. I could see she was struggling financially so I let her stay with me and told her to get her finances in line and then pay rent. As you can probably guess, she never had time to get things straight and never paid rent for many months. I ended up having to get a second job to make ends meet and that's when I had enough and told her nicely that she needed to find someplace else to live. This girl is a sweet girl but so under the spell of Generations so I can't completely blame her for her inaction. HOWEVER...Rich and Melissa knew of her situation and instead of pastoring her to get her life straight before pastoring others, they just looked the other way. I guess they thought she needed to spend her time on multiple occasions doing things like CLEANING RICH'S OFFICE much more than she needed that time to get her life in order!!!
All of that is really moot at this point but being at that "church" messed me up in a lot of very destructive ways that I'm still not healed from yet. I'm sure there are others out there -- Seriously, it might be helpful to form a support group for those who have left Generations. It would definitely be useful as the so-called "leaders" try to pull we "lost souls" back into cells and back to the misguided place called Generations.
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SO you really think that Rich and Melissa dont realize what they are doing? I went to a birthday party and the so called Pastor Melissa showed up, of course to drop her child off, she had no make up on but i noticed how nice her nails were done and her hair was perfect. I shared what i seen in her. I felt she was hiding that she is high maintenance and was trying to keep it under wraps. I was right. I was told yes, she usually is dressed to the tee. Im sure people really dont see what she is really like away from the church. How much does she pay for facials, massages etc. Im sure the parlors know her very well. I wonder how much she spends there. Her kids are important to her like im sure her dog is. (Does she have one)? Since I totally questioned everything i was seeing, I asked to see where there home was. Of course, best neighborhood beautiful home, but as we drove by we almost hit a child on the street riding a scooter. Guess who it was? NO, not the dog. Pastor Rich and Melissas youngest child. Dont know his name. Then as I had been telling my friend no church should pull you away from your family the way they do. They really dont care about the FAMILY or that a single mom is trying to take care of her children. All they want is for these people to bring in more and more head counts. They sure didnt care about their own. It was obvious, we could have hit him and no one would have ever known or even taken him. Where were the parents? Probably on another retreat or out of country with the rest of the 12. You know i have many many more stories over the 7 years of just visiting there. Nothing more than just visiting. Open your eyes people of Yuma! A support group would be great!.. When someone leaves the rest of the church turns their back on them. These young woman are left alone and lost. Confused! One girl that left the church worked in the same office as a memeber. She had to complain in writing to save her job. The Generations member was being cruel. In those situations the people need to be handed a bible and tell them to truly read it!.. Dont listen to what the Richs interpet it to be.
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Sharon,
I went to school with Melissa. Apparently, she hasn't changed since then! She was high maintenance then; and is now! She was always nasty to a lot of my friends; including my own sister! She is manipulative, vindictive and just an all-around unpleasant person to be around. She has a mean spirit about her. I don't know how to put my finger on it; but I never liked her....EVER! I knew her as young as 12 all the way until I left Yuma.
I love that this website is here. Thanks John!
I have a friend who attended Generations; only because she ran in to Melissa in town. She went to one service; and knew that it wasn't right for her. The next time she ran in to Melissa, she was back to her old, mean and nasty ways! Melissa was mean to this particular friend in school; so she was surprised that she even invited her to come to their "church". Some people NEVER change!
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Have you heard all the girls that work in office now have gotten boob jobs? Along side pastor Melissa? Tithing at its best? how sad!.. I rmemeber one girl was kicked out of cell for doing this on her own with her own money... pathetic
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PASTOR FROM GENERATION HAS HIS BRAND NEW BMW 2008 WITH A PERSONAL BODYGUARD. WHY WOULD HE NEED A BODYGUARD? WHO IS PAYING THIS GUARD? WHY DOES HE NEED ONE? I FEEL BAD BECAUSE ALOT OF PEOPLE THAT WENT TO THE OTHER CULT CHURCH "GOD IS JESUS CHRIST" AKA "THE DOOR" JUST ENDED UP AT GENERATIONS.
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His monther runs a concession stand during services. the money goes in her pocket, not the church. Recently they had a conference where the mother sold meals for attendees for $5 a piece. 200-400 people attend. Nice days work for a sandwich and chips and a soda, goes to "mom" Witmer not the church. She also owns Java Oasis on 4th Avenue with her son Rich
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wow! that is not serving Jesus!the members of this church should ask for report every month. for sure all the money and cell offering goes to rich bank account. nice business buddy!
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I remember last year there was a city retreat or something of that nature. Well the girls in this one cell were told they HAD to get 12 people to come to church. It made them very nervous and upset with themselves if they didnt do what was expected of them. My concern was all the time spent chasing and finding and convincing people to go their church, well what about their children???? Most of them were single moms. The girls constantly had to find babysitters for these events. My friend finally opened her eyes and seen that your FAMILY did NOT come first. Pastor Rich and bringing more and more people for the donations was more important. The girls even had to take collections at Cell. Why??? I tought you only gave to your church while at church. Why take collections during cell? MONEY< MONEY< MONEY!.
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Yes it's true because if we don't have cell offering that week my cell leader will call me and ask where is my cell offering. i Didn't forced my group to give coz most of them are not working and thier strugling also paying thier bills so i wont force them to give offering but my leader said that i have to give my own money from my pocket.Its the commnad from Rich. and the Church wont accept if it coins they want the whole buck!!!!their reason is its take time to count and they have no time...like if i gave 3$ and its all dimes. THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL CELL LEADERS HAVE CELL OFFERING EVERY WEEK !!!MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL. shame on you Rich!!!
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I was a cell leader. I will tell you that having zero offering was not acceptable. We were told that if you did not give anything then you were sowing nothing into your ministry. We had to give something every week. ZERO was not an option. If we didn't give, we were told that we missed an offering and it needed to be turned in asap.
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imagine they have almost half million of their payroll last year, but they only have 5000$ benevolence..what a heck! members of generations are paying rich housing and BMW. 5000 benevolence? it means they help less those needy? wow amazing!!
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My friend that went to Generations became homeless and was trying to get an apartment. She was pregnant and not working at the time. An apartment came up and she had no money. Her cell leader spoke to the so-called Pastors about helping her get the apartment. She needed i believe around 500.00 or so. The cell leader was asked about how much she tithed. Then they looked into how much was in their so called books to see how much she had given over the years. My friend would actually give them 500 or more from income tax returns alone. Thats not including (her and husbands) paychecks. After all that money over 5 years of donating, all they helped her with was 75.00 and it was like pulling teeth and a lot of research on the churches part. I wonder if Devone and his wife became homeless and lost everything would they help them. They probably woulndt even lend them the Beamer for the day. Pathetic so-called pastors!!!! Maybe they couldnt help her because they needed a new leather jacket or a massage for the day. Im sure there are many many more stories out there like this.
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I was not a cell leader but hosted a youth cell at our home. The cell was for young girls around the ages of 11-14. Their "leader" was about 17 at the time- Offering even this age was mandatory- kids told to give 10%+ of their allowances, birthday money, babysitting money etc. Don't get me wrong, I believe kids should give just the way adults should. But from their hearts not because of the false promise of blessings that the prosperity gospel teaches. I'm providing this as an example of how early they start them in the cult!
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My parents attend Generations and I know give more than they get. I want to confront them, however the few times I have tested the water they change the subject. Is it public record who gives what and do you know where to locate it?
I have known some of the original 12 since birth and it saddens me to think they are leading people away from Christ and towards Rich.
I am no longer a religious man and have no ties to any church. I feel some people need to believe in something greater than them to live a fulfilled life. If this is the road that you choose to follow where does it say you have to pay a toll?
If you have loved ones in this church or any like it, you need to take a stand and voice your concerns. You have to be able to play the same game as Rich and Melissa. Plant a seed in their mind, nurture it with discussion and debate. Being consistent and knowledgeable will get you further with a Generations member than emotional and arrogant.
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It doesn't matter if you are right or how you approach Rich or any leader at this church. If anyone who is from generations reads this? They will know who we are. My wife and I was faithful and supported them wholeheartedly. AFTER we were thrown out of the church, and falsely accused. Which if anyone else wants too. I have email email from him and his accusations towards me, I can see this church for their false words against us. PERIOD. I was hesitant to write here since some time back, but watching the economics of our country, and the many times that my wife and i helped people in our cell because the leaders above us said no to their need because they did not tithe., and I see the 2007 financial report that was reported to the State of Arizona showing their $400,000 wages and only $5,000 for benevelance. The $300,000 missions fund is the slush fund for their extravagant trips and gifts to other leaders. I also want to add here that if Rich you read this or one of your leaders. Answer this question. Because if you don't? My wife or I will inquire to the Philippines. Did you use your money or the church's mission fund money to give the pastor in Manila that expensive vacation there that only people in your church dream about. Also I know this pastor doesn't know that while you gave him such an extravagant gift there, that your people in your church, go without food, water, electricity, face evictions, unemployment? Letting you know that all your nasty false statements and your un-pastorlike actions are known. Reading this web site, and see recent words from you to others, (why you fight with everyone) back up all the more. Nice billboard on 4th Avenue. Paid much for it? Yes the lazy man must work, but the role of the pastor is to love and listen, and feel for his people. When I spoke up and said, missions begins at home, you state you are out to save the world. The more I see here in Yuma, the bad vibs about this church, and people who we once loved there shun us like we are some lepers. This is NOT the love of Jesus. had I know this over four years ago. Never would I have come there. Jesus is love, when my own neighbors who used to speak and go out of their way to speak to us, and now walk directly in front of my parked car and not even turn to speak? Is that the love of Jesus, Is that your disciple? A member of a G12, an example for God? Everyone who reads this site, let's shut this place down. There is enough here, to have the IRS investigate them, I talked to a CPA some time back. A required cell offering? Is illegal. Demanding funds form people is against the law. I heard Rich many times talk down this site and it's founder. Anyone who was a member of the CD club should have this somewhere, or an email stating the cell offering. We showed the love of Jesus, because we did, we were shut down. One last comment here. You will answer for all this on this site, all these words. Even in the Philippines.
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Hey John. I was looking through my old emails and saw this one showing that we had to give an offering of at least 1 dollar. Giving nothing was not accepted. Please don't publish the names ok.
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041706 Cell LessonMonday, April 17, 2006 2:13 PM
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Cell Leaders,
When you turn in your offering, make sure to put the total of the money in the envelope only. I don’t need you to write on the envelope how much was tithe and offering or how much was cash and checks. Just the total of everything in there please! Be sure to write the date of your cell on the envelope too.
Also, if you have had 0 people in your cell, I still expect you to turn in an offering. So if you have had 0 people and you don’t turn in offering, I count it missing. There should always be an offering for your cell (at least $1).
Here is a list of names of people who didn’t turn in their offering this week. If it’s you, please turn it in:
Ladies
Donna Abril
Corine Arnold
Jenise Arviso
Cortney Christian
Cynthia Christian
Lauren Daniels
Victoria Estrada
Liz Gonzalez
Francis Heflin
Samantha Heflin
Sheila Hook
Gabby Jaure
Crystal Jenkins
Stacey Kelsey
Rachel Krill
Britney Merryman
Stephanie Moore
Shellie Nelson
Annie Schultz
Alysia Schweda
Michelle Valdez
Men
Steve Adkins
Tim Arviso
Jeff Bevington
Justin Bodes
John Cicala
Rigo Curiel
Vincent Czyzewski
Heith Daniels
Jason Daugherty
John Jenkins
Julius Moralez
Robert Mosqueda
Anthony Munoz
Matt Schweda
Jeff Smay
Brett Stephens
Danny Urias
Jorge Villasenor
Sam Whitfield
Thank you,
Jane
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I knew of someone who went to this church for quite a while and he was gay and the people he met there were trying to hang out with him a lot and make him straight haha crazys over there thank god he stopped going after that. those people drive me nuts they think theyre all high and mighty. how can people be so damn ignorant it reminds me of the warren jones cult and hitler uhh it is scarey we, the people who have some mind and able to think for ourselves should some how put this to a stop it will take time but just spread the word!!
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It just keeps getting better!
The thug, extortionist, Rich Witmer's 2007-2008 Profit and Loss Statement is available at:
http://starpas.azcc.gov/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/connect.p?app=names-report.p
Total Income: $1,438,598.56
Auto expense: $62,132.62
Office: $40,273.20
Payroll: $406,888.94
Travel: $73,820.74
Retained Earnings: $261,399.46
(Witmer's Retirement) Pretty good for 5 years!
Benevolence: $5,962.61
"By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber."
(2 Peter 2:3)
For the love of money is a root of all [kinds of] evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. But you, O man of God, FLEE THESE THINGS, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness.
(1 TIMOTHY 6:10,11)
If you are attending this cult, there is help. There are some in Yuma that can help.
I suggest Stone Ridge or Journey of Faith. Their Pastors are well grounded and kind.
Also visit "Cult Solutions" at:
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/c64.html
I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth. (1 John 2:21)
We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error. (1 John 4:6)
Grace, mercy, [and] peace will be with you from God the Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
Don Woods
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HHmmm a mortgage expense of 114k- yet there is no mortgage liability noted. I've heard from a very reliable source that part of the pastor's compensation is a housing allowance. And for 114k a year it looks like this includes more than just the Witmers home. Same thing for auto expenses- yet no liability noted. A leadership expense of 27k- this would be the San Diego or Las Vegas leadership retreats. "Missions" ie vacations. Makes me ill.
Before we left I was approached and asked my opinion on a situation in which somebody recieved some cash back from a loan. Her leader told her that because this was money coming into her portfolio that she needed to pay tithes on it. I was outraged because this was borrowed money! Thats like telling their followers to borrower 10% against their available lines of credit for tithing.
It has been 3 years since we left that so called church and I am so thankful!!
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Please contact us, through John, with any and all records you have.
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I wish I had records- this is just knowledge I have from when I used to attend the cult.
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Who is Your Covering?
There is a popular teaching coming from the pulpits of many apostate churches today which claims that Christians must have a “spiritual covering”. This teaching as it is presented in today’s church is a far cry from what Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 11.
The covering taught by most pastors today is the idea that a Christian must be a member of a church and must be spiritually submitted to a particular pastor. Many will tell you that if you are not submitted to a church hierarchy you are out of the will of God and are under the influence of Satan. All of this is evidence of the Nicolaitan error Jesus spoke of in Revelation 2:6
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 1Cor 11:3
Notice that Paul does not say the head of every man is his pastor, or an apostle, or any other church official. The head of every man is Christ. Period!
Christian Idolatry
And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man. Acts 10:25-26
How often is this scene repeated in the church today? It seems to be all too common. Christians today have a bad habit of falling at the feet of celebrity preachers and giving them the worship that is rightly due God alone. Unfortunately most of these Christian celebrities simply accept the accolades for themselves instead of ordering the adoring masses to “stand up; (for) I myself also am a man” as Peter did.
Sound familiar?
"They told me if I left......"
One of the most insidious features of Spiritual Abuse ...
... is the state of terror in which it leaves so many of its victims.
People who flee Spiritual Abuse are in a double-bind: in the very process of fleeing from the oppression that comes from being part of the group, they are terrorized by the threats of the leadership and various members -- threats of dire consequences, punishment from God, and even eternal damnation.
Here are some helpful links for those of you who have been harmed by Rich Witmer and his Hench men.
Getting Out and Getting On
by G. Richard Fisher
http://www.pfo.org/get-out.htm
Churches that Abuse-On Line Book
by Dr. Ronald Enroth
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/716-churches-that-abuse-online-book
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I too know of people in town whose lives have been ruined by these people. It is sad but there will always be gullible people who will believe anything. For many it is easier to believe a lie than to put forth some effort and seek the truth. The Witmers will one day stand before God and give account. I noticed the comment from the x member who thinks they are kind people who don't know what they are doing.Yes they most certainly know what they are doing. They are leading the most gullible of our city astray for their own financial gains. I would not want to stand in their shoes on that day of reckoning.
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Ultimately, we must leave the salvation of those to whom we witness up to God. It is God's power and grace that saves people, not our efforts. While it is good and wise to be prepared to give a vigorous defense and have knowledge of the false beliefs we are confronted with, neither of these things will result in the conversion of those trapped in the lies of Generations, the cults and false religions. The best and most we can do is pray for them, witness to them, and live the Christian life in front of them, trusting that the Holy Spirit will do the work of drawing, convincing, and converting.
On some have compassion, making a distinction; but others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh.
(Jude 1:22-23)
However, Paul addresses "Heresy" in the book of Colossians:
Colossians 2:8, "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ."
Colossians 3:12-13, "Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you."
Colossians 4:5-6, "Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of every opportunity. Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone."
Brief Summary: Colossians was written explicitly to defeat heresy that had arisen in Colosse, which endangered the existence of the church. While we do not know what was told Paul, this epistle is his response.
We can surmise based on Paul’s response that he was dealing with a defective view of Christ.
Witmer and his kind promote a "Defective view of Christ, another Christ."
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The Church: Business or Body?
A Bible teacher gave a summary of Christian history’s movement in a class to beginning students:
“Christianity started in Palestine as a fellowship; it moved to Greece and became a philosophy; it moved to Italy and became an institution; it moved to Europe and became a culture; it then came to America and became an enterprise; an enterprise–that’s a business.”
After a few moments a young lady, the youngest student in the class, raised her hand, asking a simple question, “A business? But isn’t it supposed to be a body?”
When the teacher said, “Yes,” the girl continued, “But when a body becomes a business, isn’t that a prostitute?”
The answer is yes; American professing Christendom is a prostitute, and any professing Christian, church, or organization that uses the message or the body for financial gain is guilty and will prove to be false.
But not the true church of Jesus Christ, who is continually becoming a holy bride, preparing for her Bridegroom. Don’t confuse the two- the true body of Jesus Christ is not Christendom. -- by Samuel Guzman--
What is the purpose of the church?
Acts 2:42 could be considered a purpose statement for the church, “They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.”
The church is to teach Biblical doctrine so we can be grounded in our faith. Ephesians 4:14 tells us, “Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.” The church is to be a place of fellowship, where Christians can be devoted to one another and honor one another (Romans 12:10), instruct one another (Romans 15:14), be kind and compassionate to one another (Ephesians 4:32), encourage one another (1 Thessalonians 5:11), and most importantly love one another (1 John 3:11).
The church is to be a place where believers can observe the Lord’s supper, remembering Christ’s death and shed blood on our behalf (1 Corinthians 11:23-26). The concept of “breaking bread” (Acts 2:42) also carries the idea of having meals together. This is another example of the church promoting fellowship. The final purpose of the church according to Acts 2:42 is prayer. The church is to be a place that promotes prayer, teaches prayer, and practices prayer. Philippians 4:6-7 encourages us, “Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.”
So, with all that said, what is the purpose of the church? I like the illustration in 1 Corinthians 12:12-27. The church is God’s “body” – we are His hands, mouth, and feet in this world. We are to be doing the things that Jesus Christ would do if He were here physically on the earth. The church is to be “Christian” – “Christ-like” and Christ-following.
Excerpts from: The Church: Why Bother? by Phillip Yancey
Grace, Peace, & Mercy,
Don Woods
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The Church: Business or Body
"Word of Faith, Name It and Claim It, Blab It and Grab It.....
What does the Bible say about the prosperity gospel?"
Generations heretic Witmer and blind guide cell leaders use tactics set forth in the "prosperity gospel heresy" for their own gain.
In the prosperity gospel, also known as the “Word of Faith” religion, the believer is told to use God, whereas the truth of biblical Christianity is just the opposite—God uses the believer.
Word Faith or prosperity theology sees the Holy Spirit as a power to be put to use for whatever the believer wills. The Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit is a Person who enables the believer to do God's will.
The prosperity gospel movement closely resembles some of the destructive greed sects that infiltrated the early church. Paul and the other apostles were not accommodating to or conciliatory with the false teachers who propagated such heresy. They identified them as dangerous false teachers and urged Christians to avoid them.
Paul warned Timothy about "constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.... But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. But flee from these things, you man of God, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance and gentleness." (1 Timothy 6:5, 9-11.)
Paul said covetousness is idolatry (Ephesians 5:5) and instructed the Ephesians to avoid anyone who brought a message of immorality or covetousness (Ephesians 5:6-7).
Prosperity teaching prohibits God from working on His own, meaning that God is not Lord of all because He cannot work until we release Him to do so.
Faith, according to the Word of Faith doctrine, is not submissive trust in God; faith is a formula by which we manipulate the spiritual laws prosperity teachers believe govern the universe.
As in the name "Word of Faith" implies, this movement teaches that faith is a matter of what we say more than who we trust or what truths we embrace and affirm in our hearts.
Witmer is a Greedy Heretic!
Far from stressing the importance of wealth, the Bible warns against pursuing it.
Believers, especially leaders in the church (1 Timothy 3:3), are to be free from the love of money (Hebrews 13:5). The love of money leads to all kinds of evil (1 Timothy 6:10).
Jesus warned, "Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions" (Luke 12:15). In sharp contrast to the Word of Faith emphasis on gaining money and possessions in this life, Jesus said "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal" (Matthew 6:19).
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i was once a member of the river church when it was known as jesus name,wonderful church,but now i hear Tim Mcdonald is now working with pastor rich and he himself drives a Jag,,,wonder where he got the money to buy that,people need to wake up and see what they are involved in can you see CULT i work with a woman that belongs to the cult and she always says pastor rich comes first and if it means supporting him before her and her kids then she will live homeless.....what happened to the real God fearing minestry ,,,,
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An Open Letter: Flee Generations
To those who remain supporters of Witmer, McDonald and Generations church I ask, how many more lives must be destroyed before you wake up and flee that wicked place? How many more marriages must be put asunder? How many more lives must be destroyed? How many more cars will you purchase? How long will you allow your money to be used to support greed and lies?
The Lord is long suffering and merciful but He will not strive with man forever. Right now the Lord is still calling many of you out of that place. He is offering repentance and forgiveness but sooner than you think that offer will be withdrawn and you will be completely turned over to your sin just like Witmer and McDonald have been. Re probation is a serious matter. Rich Witmer and Tim McDonald are reprobates concerning the faith. They sin openly and willfully. They revel in it and flaunt it openly. The fruit of their re probation is misery, death and destruction.
The Lord has already judged Rich Witmer and Tim McDonald. The first step in judgment is always strong delusion.
People like Witmer and McDonald don't even realize they are being judged. This same fate waits all who remain supporters of them and their so called “church.” The punishment of those who inquired of the false prophet will be the same as that of the false prophet himself.
Ezekiel 14:8-10
I will set My face against that man and make him a sign and a proverb, and I will cut him off from the midst of My people. Then you shall know that I am the LORD. "And if the prophet is induced to speak anything, I the LORD have induced that prophet, and I will stretch out My hand against him and destroy him from among My people Israel. And they shall bear their iniquity; the punishment of the prophet shall be the same as the punishment of the one who inquired,
This saying is coming to pass before your eyes. Witmer is being destroyed from among God's people because he refuses to cast down the idols in his heart. The Lord is speaking to this false prophet.
Will you listen, obey, and turn or remain, continue in the sin of omission, and be destroyed with him?
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Hey everyone. I subscribed to this blog, aand receive everyone's comments back. I was a leader in this church. I have a stack of emails the thickness of the Bible from Rich. Family, friends, coworkers, and past cell members have seen his emails to me. Some try to say that I "made it up". I see that he continues to do the same to others. We have told people who approach us about Generations and they do act like a cult. The 'love of Jesus", I don't see it, those we gave love to and supported there, and my leaders above me who "loved us so much". We haven't heard a word from since we were thrown out of the church. Rich, knows who I am, and he will email me tomorrow giving me a "threatening email", like he did before. the owner of this website and myself. The owner of this site has never contacted me, and I don't know if he ever got the same email I got from Rich. I will say this. In the eyes of the law? His email can be taken to the police station, taken as a threat upon myself and the owner of this site and I don't care what Rich says. We have the "same God". It doesn't take a rocket sicentist to see the flow of money there from 2004 until now and it doesn't take a rocket sicentist to see that $400,000 went to salaries and only $5,000 to benevelance. It doesn't take a rocket sicentist to see the rest of this pciture. no one on this site contacted the IRS yet? Or asked Rich to give you a "breakdown" of where every dollar went? No! So until, evryone who comes to this site makes a stand, and demands that this be "opened up", then Rich will continue to take his trips, and refuse the needy because they don't "tithe" at his church and turn away those that are suffering we have no right to say anything here. Other than venting, Rich knows, no one has the "balls" to stand up to him. He has yet to face me from day one. Falsely accused. Funny, Gid hasn't judged my house, but blessed us more, because we remained failthful. I know that Rich and my leader above me were sitting back waiting for some sort of demise upon my life. orry Rich, it won't happen. I serve God just as you did, you removed our ministry for what reason? We caught you, we were too close, and we know people who know you, and you don't want them to know the truth. They will Rich, and guess what someday when you are around them again! We will stand up in front of you there, and what will you say? You will have to face us, and you will have to answer your threats to us and false accusations. Bitter? No way, but God grants vengance to His people. You know on this site as well as we do, we did NOTHING worthy. so where does the money go? I am waiting for my tax statement in the mailf rom you, and a COMPLETE breakdown dollar for dlooar where our money went, and by the way! We have the right to see it and the right to have it in writing. God bless you, and those who write here? Stand up and ask questions, and get answers, otherwise everyone is just venting, and Generations continues.
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Sounds like you have the evidence. Public sin needs to be dealt with publicly. Contact John by e-mail to get mine and I will stand by you. Count me in.
It's time to pull the wool off of this wolf.
I'm an action man but I don't have the documentation that you seem to have. It only took me one visit with Rich Witmer to discern his greedy motives. My wife and I attended Generations to correct error, love the lost, expose the Nicolatians, reach and rescue those led to eternal damnation by Witmer.
Please contact John to contact me. I will parade Witmer and his nakedness through the streets.
I'm not venting, I'm serious and Witmer knows it. That's why I post my name.
I'm sure he has off shore accounts so he can flee the country when the stuff hits the fan. Moving swiftly is imperative.
Information needed:
1) Assets of the Church
2) witmer's Assets
3) Detailed records
4) Financial Fraud in the Church
5) Wasteful Spending by the Church
6) Missions and the Church (Where and on Who exactly was the "Mission Money Spent?)
7) Micro-Lending Stats (Were loans made to businesses, people, or other enterprises?)
8) Business ventures of Witmer and/or church leaders
Statistics show, annual church embezzlement by top custodians exceed the entire cost of all foreign missions worldwide. Emboldened by lax procedures, trusted church leaders are embezzling from GOD's Church DAILY.
Witmer, in his delusion will probably mistake God's illumination of his sin as a satanic attack.
The word of the LORD came to me, saying,
"Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel [Yuma], prophesy and say to them,
'Thus says the Lord GOD to the shepherds: "Woe to the shepherds of Israel [Yuma] who feed themselves! Should not the shepherds feed the flocks? You eat the fat and clothe yourselves with the wool; you slaughter the fatlings, but you do not feed the flock.
The weak you have not strengthened, nor have you healed those who were sick, nor bound up the broken, nor brought back what was driven away, nor sought what was lost; but with force and cruelty you have ruled them. (Ezekiel 34:1-4)
Witmer; your only hope is REPENT!!!! Come clean.
Public sin, requires public exposure and confession.
Witmer; humble yourself, fear God, Repent, before it's to late!
Don't go away mad, Repent!
Don Woods
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Hey Brother:
Contact the Attorney General with your evidence, and leave it in God's hands. Or provide John and/or myself with the evidence and we will.
Jesus answered them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin."
Jesus said: "But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea." (Mark 9:42)
For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision (religious leaders), whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain.(Titus 1:10-11)
You are privy to this charlatan's abuse. As a mature believer you are mandated to protect those who are led astray.
To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled. They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work. (Titus 1:15-16)
The apostle describes Witmer to a tee!
Witmer is abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.
Do the right thing.
Peace, grace, and mercy,
Don
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The just shall live by faith . . . So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God . . . I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed to Him. (Romans 1:17; 10:17 and 2 Timothy 1:12)
The entire Christian walk is designed to be lived by faith.
"The just shall live by faith." In every step of every day, in every issue that we face, we are to rely upon the Lord.
This path of trust accesses grace. Faith allows us to receive and respond to the grace that God desires to shower upon us.
Remember, faith is what corresponds with grace. "Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace" (Romans 4:16).
Trying our hardest does not ensure God's grace working in and through us.
Attempting to be passive does not bring forth a display of His grace.
However, humbly trusting in the Lord, whether taking action or patiently waiting, will always result in His grace undertaking for us.
Yet, how does one specifically learn to live by faith?
"So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." As we get into the Scriptures, desiring to hear from the Lord, faith has opportunity to grow.
Through the word, God speaks to us about Himself and His ways. He tells us His plans and purposes. He provides insights into reality. He drives away illusions and misconceptions. He offers promises and assurances.
As we are thereby getting to know who the Lord is and what He wants to do, we are stirred to trust Him to work these matters into our lives. We face trials or opportunities, and we trust Him to be faithful. We learn of our own inadequacy and are driven to His sufficiency. We look to the Lord in daily personal issues, and He proves faithful. Through it all, our faith continues to grow in response to what the Lord is revealing to us and is doing for us. This is God's grace at work, because His word is "the word of His grace" (Acts 20:32).
This process illustrates the relational reality of faith.
Faith is not something we can produce.
It results from getting to know the Lord more and more. Paul spoke of this pattern in part of his testimony. "I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed to Him."
As the years passed, Paul was getting acquainted with the Lord in whom he had first believed. Then, as this relationship with Christ developed, Paul was increasingly convinced of his Master's ability to handle any matter entrusted into His hands. All the while, Paul's growing faith was drawing upon the resources of God's grace.
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Rich knows who I am when I write here. He reads every post here. As I shared to my wife this week. How can a pastor who has the love of Christ and a passion for people be so concerned to read this everyday and not only here but on MySpace and other places. The times that Rich put myself and my wife through this confusion by his false accusations towards us, kept our home in turmoil, so who is the author of turmoil? Satan. So we blocked him in everyway to stop his emails. We continued to pray for him regardless. he thinks God only hears Him, and no one else has any sense of spirit. He feels he is protected. Shame on him. Forgive him? we do, but he continues to do these things and no one steps up, and he will face my wife and I again. He knows this, and that time will come. He has falsely accused us, and as someone said that knows him well and is a G12 leader that he has talked with. the blood of my wife and I are on Rich's head, and his leaders for their false accusations and what they did to us. That won't go away Rich, nor will this be resolved until you do face us, here or there, and you know what I mean, because you know and everyone knows that YOU and the others did us wrong, and that's why god won't release this matter. you can say that you love us and forgive us, but until you sir, stand before the Cross with this matter and meet us face to face, you and Ricardo and Caesar, because they also know this. I don't have to place my name here, You know it. What I don't understand is how Rich can continue to live this lie, and never clearing up this matter with us? That puzzles me of a man of God, and how much they loved us??????? We watch his continued attack on people on a daily basis. I am sure Rich that you are reading this. I am not saying what isn't true, nor am I siding with the devil. I have watched you and leaders under you turn away the needy because they did not tithe. Do I need to name their names to you? Their blood also is on your head. god bless our leaders, even when they fail us. we are still healing Rich. i don't want to come at you as a bitter man, but you will face me, and in a forum, that I know God will allow there, because those people are praying for you as well. In a season my dear brother, in a season. let's move forward folks!
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Is Witmer guilty of hate speech; Are we?
A working definition of hate speech is “speech that is intended to insult, intimidate, or cause prejudice against a person or people based on their race, gender, age, sexual orientation, political affiliation, occupation, disability, or physical appearance.”
Is it hateful for a teacher to tell a student that his/her answer is wrong? Is it hateful for a building inspector to tell a construction company that they are building on a faulty foundation? Is it hateful for a discerning Christian to evaluate someone's fruit and tell it like it is? Of course the answer to these questions is a resounding no.
Is Witmer a Bible Teacher? NO!
Is Witmer a Pastor? NO, not according to the bible!
Is Witmer a Prophet? Yes, a FALSE prophet?
Is Witmer an apostle? Yes, a false apostle.
How do we know these things?
His fruit. His conduct. His theology and doctrine.
Telling someone that he/she is in the wrong is not hateful. In reality, refusing to tell someone the truth is what is truly hateful.
Declaring the speaking of truth, presented respectfully, to be hate speech, is in fact the ultimate demonstration of hate.
Does Witmer falsely accuse people? Yes!
Does Witmer try to intimidate people? Yes!
Does Witmer exhibit any fruits of the spirit? NO!
A senseless man does not know, Nor does a fool understand this.
The wise in heart will receive commands, But a prating fool will fall.
Whoever hides hatred [has] lying lips, And whoever spreads slander [is] a fool.
He who troubles his own house will inherit the wind, And the fool [will be] servant to the wise of heart.
The way of a fool [is] right in his own eyes, But he who heeds counsel [is] wise.
Every prudent [man] acts with knowledge, But a fool lays open [his] folly.
In the mouth of a fool [is] a rod of pride, But the lips of the wise will preserve them.
A wise [man] fears and departs from evil, But a fool rages and is self-confident.
A fool has no delight in understanding, But in expressing his own heart.
Luxury is not fitting for a fool, Much less for a servant to rule over princes.
Witmer is a fool According to his fruit and these proverbs.
Hate speech or love?
My goal is to speak the truth in love. To ignore the truth is not love. Rather, we simply believe that Witmer and g12 are making some serious theological and biblical errors.
Witmer, you are a FOOL. A whip for the horse, A bridle for the donkey, And a rod for the fool's back. As a dog returns to his own vomit, [So] a fool repeats his folly.
The wise man's eyes [are] in his head, But the fool walks in darkness. Yet I myself perceived That the same event happens to them all. Even when a fool walks along the way, He lacks wisdom, And he shows everyone [that] he [is] a fool.
Repent while you can Witmer. Sell all, take up your cross and follow Jesus.
Rip those self-promoting billboards down.
Humble yourself, repent, give God's money back before it is too late.
Don't go away mad; REPENT!
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I always knew Rich was a joke, my ex went to high school with him and yes he might have changed some of his high school ways but it seems like he picked worse ways in adulthood. Rich, you have a lot of responsibility on your shoulders to God's children and you are leading them astray and causing them to turn their backs on God. What will you tell God when you stand before him on Judgement Day? ..."but I drove a BMW,how can you throw me into the pit of hell?"
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You poor,bitter,hateful,moron.I've been saved&in various min.,including crack heads,heroin addicts,drunks.I was the director by the way in NO,LA,how about you mr.fruit inspector?I worked for no salary&spent alot of my own money.I've been around bud,& have seen every religous game there is & have extreme discernment being saved from dealing & shooting drugs in the streets of NO.I personally beleive & know great men of God who agree that 85-90% of people in churches today are tares.Jesus said about the phonies who were preaching & healing in His Name;Leave them alone for now,if they use My Name they are still for us;I paraphrase of course.Now,heres the rest of the rub,bud.My stepdaughter is in a cell there and I know she islearning the word and I told her to eat meat and spit out bones and will make sure she is not deceived..I dont know what this man did,but 18000 on a car is chump change, There are evangelists out there with jets,100,000$ cars and helicopters.You need to repent of your hate & bitterness & check yourself.We are in the very last days & God will gather HIS remnant soon & there will be no room for bitter crybabies.Now I've inspected your fruit Mr. fruit inspector,I love you irregardless. Callme or E-mail,I would love to speak to you.In HIS service,Craig 256-379-5397.
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Craig Canty;
You say:
"You poor,bitter,hateful,moron...Blah, blah, blah...There are evangelists out there with jets... blah, blah, blah... Now I've inspected your fruit Mr. fruit inspector...blah, blah, blah..."
Our message is about a Person.
It is not about success or health or wealth. It is not about revolution or recovery or religion. It is not about philosophy or psychology. It is not about politics or programs.
You compare Witmer and yourself to "evangelists out there". Jesus Christ is the bench mark, not your idols.
Here is the amazing life-giving and life-changing truth. The Son of God comes to live in and among and through the people of God. As He dwells with us this way, He is our hope--our expectation, our confidence, our certainty--of glory (heaven with God some day and glorious things of God day by day).
Jesus doesn't use ANY methods, especially g12 you foolish, blind guide. He didn't come to save you from your hangups, addictions, poverty, or anything else.
He came to save you from SIN. PERIOD.
Witmer, McDonald, Castalanos and the like are Greedy, lying, WOLVES in SHEEP'S Clothing who turn the message of The Gospel of Jesus Christ into lewdness for their own filthy gain.
So; I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Humble yourself, REPENT and believe the Gospel.
This proclamation of Christ involves warning and teaching. "Him we preach, warning every man and teaching every man." Our message must certainly include teaching and instructing believers about the person and work of the Lord Jesus. However, it must also include warnings about the things that are not of Him--the flesh and self-centered living in the wisdom of this world.
You are instructed to FLEE these kind of false prophets, not embrace them.
FLEE before it's too late!
REPENT!
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Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from goodwill:
The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel.
What then? Only [that] in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice.
The gospel will always do It's work on those who are predestined to respond when the Holy Spirit applies it to our understanding , regardless of who is delivering it.
God judges the heart.
We judge fruit.
The heart attitude can be discerned by the fruit in one's life.
It is easy to see the motive of Witmer and people like him.
Obviously, Witmer wants his reward NOW. He is a wanna be.
God will not be mocked so I pray he repents, sells all, gives it to the poor and crawl back under the rock from which he slithered.
I truly feel sorry for his family, they have some hard lessons to learn do to His sin.
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The qualifications for pastor according to Rich Witmer;
Must have bodyguards, beemer, big house or 2, exotic vacations, control of $$$, vain billboards advertising himself, engage in juvenile name calling, Fixated with numbers, methods, visions, arrogance, prideful, greedy, uneducated, defensive, in-secure, lack spiritual understanding, bash other people & ministries, bully his congregation, lack compassion, rob God of glory & $$ .
He preys on the unsuspecting, naïve, & immature. He is a False shepherd, a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul [Witmer], and a distressing spirit from the LORD troubled him. (1 Sam 14:16)
This spirit will remain on Witmer, his house and g12 until he humbles himself, resigns, returns all he has stolen and repents. Or God will humble him and recover all that is His.
“But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.”
(2 Peter 2:1-3)
Jesus said: "If you love Me, keep My commandments.” Love God & one another!
FLEE G12, REPENT & WARN OTHERS!!!!
He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him. (John 14:21)
Our God rules this universe from a throne characterized by grace. This grace can only be properly known by those who live under His new covenant of grace. This grace is sufficient to justify and to sanctify all who humbly trust in the Lord. The grace offered here is not for initial salvation. Rather, it is for rescuing the redeemed when they “humbly” acknowledge their inadequacy. We are invited to draw near, approach our God in an intimate fashion, and partake of His fullness in light of our emptiness.
“Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need." (Hebrews 4:16)
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I was driving by the old River Church on 16th street when I saw a large sign;
FOR SALE
Generations North Campus
Listed with Century 21; the Krill Group
928-782-1000
Hmmmm........
Witmer & McDonald merge about a year ago. Now the North Campus is for sale. Who made that decision?
Where will the proceeds go? Back to the original investors? Or Witmer's coffer?
Who's the alpha dog?????
Is Witmer getting ready to move his business off shore?
I'm sure God has a special plan for Witmer. Do you think he will use the $$$ to pay back all he has stolen in Jesus' name.
This fool has no fear of God, too bad for him.
The Fear of the Lord
"As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one; there is none who understands; there is none who seeks after God . . . There is no fear of God before their eyes” . . . The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge . . . The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding . . . In the fear of the LORD there is strong confidence, and His children will have a place of refuge. The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life; to turn one away from the snares of death . . . The Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon Him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD. His delight is in the fear of the LORD . . . Then the churches throughout all Judea, Galilee, and Samaria had peace and were edified. And walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, they were multiplied . . . Do not let your heart envy sinners, but be zealous for the fear of the LORD all the day . . . The fear of the LORD leads to life.”
(Rom. 3:10-11, 18; Prov. 1:7; 9:10; 14:26-27; Isa. 11:2-3; Acts 9:31; Prov. 23:17; 19:23)
Hebrew Transliteration: yir'ah
Outline of Biblical Usage (Strong’s)
1) fear, terror, fearing
a) fear, terror
b) awesome or terrifying thing (object causing fear)
c) fear (of God), respect, reverence, piety
d) revered
Greek Transliteration: phobos
Outline of Bible Usage (Strong’s)
1) fear, dread, terror
a) that which strikes terror
2) reverence for one's husband
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As a friend said to me once. If nothing changes then nothing changes. All these stories are all too familiar to me as well. HAs anyone here contacted the IRS. How about the Christians on her pray for God to bring Rich to his kness and reveal his actions? DO you think our God will allow this to go on like this? Let's change this!
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God hates sin! Moreover, the Almighty punishes sin.
Witmer stole from Pastor Jim Lacy and Pastor Doug McAllister's ministries to start his cult. Check with them.
Tim McDonald misled his congregation, signing their real estate over to Witmer in September 2009. Witmer has sold that asset for $2 Million of which McDonald nor his former congregation haven't any say.
Is it illegal? We'll see. It is determinately unethical, immoral and un-biblical.
And the word of the LORD came to me, saying, Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Yuma, prophesy and say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD to the shepherds: "Woe to the shepherds of Yuma who feed themselves! Should not the shepherds feed the flocks? You eat the fat and clothe yourselves with the wool; you slaughter the fatlings, but you do not feed the flock.
REPENT and return what you have stolen and the profits to Lacy and McAllister!
Rich Witmer, Tim McDonald, their wives, and followers are sad examples of an "Unregenerate Heart."
"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."
However,
"If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives" (1 John 1:8-10). Strong words from the Apostle John.
"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments" (1 John 2:1-3).
John wrote to urge believers not to go back to their old ways. He so wanted them not to fall into apostasy. His letters are found in the New Testament. True Christians would do well to heed the Apostle's words.
The unregenerate heart; "has no regard for God's Word and is in rebellion against God's Word and God's promises." The unregenerate heart cannot know God. That's because human beings are born with a sin nature that alienates us from God. Sinful creatures are unable to attain God's righteousness apart from regeneration. Regeneration occurs when a person is born again. In other words, when someone comes to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as his or her Savior, he or she is newly regenerate. (Rom 5:8-10) The regenerate Christian is Spirit led and seeks to live a godly and holy life as outlined in the Bible.
"He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 3:17
The Jesus that the lying thieves Witmer, McDonald and their minions preach is NOT God's Son, it is their fabricated Jesus to benefit themselves.
If you or Anyone you know still goes to Generations, FLEE!
God's Judgment is coming.
FLEE GENERATIONS WHILE YOU CAN!
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I don't really kno 2 much about the G12 group/Movement, but have a relative who I found out recently invovled straight out of the Marines, And havent spoken to them in nearly 3 yrs, now.
I'm Ready to do whateva is possible to stop this craziness and put these n Jail, where they belong
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